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Kick at the truth and break your foot, The Oneness (frequently referred to as God) could never consider questioning to be a bad thing. "Ask and you shall receive."

when you kick at a manufactured lie and demonstrate that accepted wisdom is less than the truth, the apostles of that accepted wisdom get all upset call you a heretic, and look for ways to justifying boiling you in vitriol or better.... oil, if they are going to get medieval on your ass.






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All the world's a conspiracy, And all the men and women merely conspirators :-)


The You just make things fit your troubled mind, is very neat, and can't be argued against without months of placing the documents in front of you and you reading them, which you don't want to do, so no matter where we go from here that is your line.


But understand many nations don't wear Fox blinkers and it is that reality that you meet when you travel physically or virtually, so bless you and good luck with your oil mad economy.

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No the meetings have been documented and our governments continue to fess up to the operations generally about 25 years after the fact


Bay of Tonkin anyone.


It is all documented and is available if you can be bothered to dig it up.


Do you remember the anthrax attacks blamed on Al Qaeda or Iraq, remember the impassioned speech by Colin Powell at the UN how he held up a little bottle of the stuff and explained

Second, when Iraq finally admitted having these weapons in 1995, the quantities were vast. Less than a teaspoon of dry anthrax, a little bit about this amount -- this is just about the amount of a teaspoon -- less than a teaspoon full of dry anthrax in an envelope shutdown the United States Senate in the fall of 2001. This forced several hundred people to undergo emergency medical treatment and killed two postal workers just from an amount just about this quantity that was inside of an envelope.




. It now after the fact turns out to be the work of a US citizen, a lone "Unabomber" who commits suicide before he can be cross examined in a public court

Are you suggesting that the US/UK governments do not lie do not engage with black flag operations and have not sought, to control and secure energy supplies?






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There is a common thread to all of this a little story that gives bankers brown trousers. a tale of a German Jewish man living in london who writes this book that gets all the bankers in Russia SHOT, and they don't want it to happen to them.

Hitler was a rabid anti communist. 'He was supposed to go East but he decided to go West first.


WW1 did the German people make that decision, no that decision was made by Queen Victoria's Grandson.

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(I am about to speculate so this section is separated from the rest. I believe that was all about communism too. If there are a bunch of people who want to kick my head in, if i can find a way to set them on each other, after they have finished knocking lumps out of each other they will be too tired to come after me.

Now if you have just seen a book written by a German man in london setting light to eastern europe which resulted in your cousins' getting herded into a room and shot - (Mrs Romanov was Victoria's granddaughter) - Would you not start worrying that it might be your turn next?

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The Japanese were a feudal society who didn't know how to say NO.

So to return to your question were the Japanese or german people bad before WW2 No they were not, they were not bad during and since have been very grateful to work hard and be peaceful.

Did powerful US and UK agencies have links with the rise to power of ALL of the people on your list, according to the historical record, yes they did

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Translated courtesy of Tiphaine Dickson

Le Figaro, 11 October 2001


Dubai, one of the seven emirates of the Federation of the United Arab Emirates, North-East of Abi-Dhabi. This city, population 350,000, was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July. A partner of the administration of the American Hospital in Dubai claims that public enemy number one stayed at this hospital between the 4th and 14th of July.

Having taken off from the Quetta airport in Pakistan, bin Laden was transferred to the hospital upon his arrival at Dubai airport. He was accompanied by his personal physician and faithful lieutenant, who could be Ayman al-Zawahari--but on this sources are not entirely certain--, four bodyguards, as well as a male Algerian nurse, and admitted to the American Hospital, a glass and marble building situated between the Al-Garhoud and Al-Maktoum bridges.



Did i say ALL the people on your list?...................










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1954 CIA and British SIS overthrow the democratically elected prime minister of Iran Premier Mossadeq, on account of his nations decision that in the post colonial world Iran should control the mineral wealth within it's borders


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaGCJmCAJ40

The collapse of the democratic process allowed The Shah (king) to assume full dictatorial powers and he was a tyrant "our Tyrant" but a tyrant none the less. the Shah then sells heavily discounted oil to the US and Britain in return for weapons credits including 4 divisions of Chieftain tanks equipped with "Chobham" spaced armour. which at that time, before the development of Depleted Uranium rounds was completely impregnable. The Tanks were delivered in 1976. Just in time for the 1979 popular islamic revolution January 16 - February 11 1979. The only thing that could stop those tanks from rolling through Iraq and into Israel was the israeli nuclear bomb which they would have dropped on the tanks in the iraqi dessert /oil fields

On July 16th 1979 Saddam Hussein ousts the president of Iraq and assumes power. He then very quickly starts a mindless border war with Iran and over the next years heavilly supplied by Nato he is able to wear down the persian millitary machine (Built up by Nato when Iran was ruled by "Our Tyrant" the Shah


CAN YOU SEE A PATTERN EMERGING.


Bin Ladin CIA asset conduit for funds to the afghani "freedom fighters" when they were trying to get the russians out of their country. Those same people are now called insurgents IRONIC HUH.




Germany ....... Hitler was funded into power by a small group of powerful German industrialists like Fritz Thyssen i bring up this man in particular because


Prescott Bush and George Herbert (Bert) Walker were directors of the London-affiliated New York banking house of Brown Brothers-Harriman

In 1919, George Herbert Walker had organized W.A. Harriman & Co which merged with the British Brown Brothers in 1931. In 1924, Averell Harriman and Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist who began funding Hitler in 1923, set up the Union Banking Corp in New York to handle funds supplied to it through Thyssen's Dutch bank for American investment.


In 1942 Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation finding that Thyssen's operation was supplying most of the plate steel and explosives of the Nazi war Machine.


Do I blame the German people for electing Mr Hitler?









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Strokes



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So we look at the torah, and discover that israeli archaeologists, keep digging stuff up that proves that the word is less historical fact and more revisionist positive political inspiration for the nation.


The new testament is pretty much the same. We can be fairly certain that Jesus existed but the rest is well up for grabs, everything we know of Jesus is filtered through Paul before it gets filtered a second time by constantine,

so but that does not mean that the remaining books are not the result of genuine historic account or divine inspiration..


actually it pretty much does.

Paul is a very high born establishment figure sent out to destroy a new dynamic force in the nation and when he fails to do this he changes sides and decrees that he is the one true voice of that new wave.

QUESTION : How did a roman with enough pull to get his own boat and 100 soldiers to escort him back for a chat with the emperor, get to be a jewish temple official. the only way i can see it happen is if his mum is like the high priests daughter. which makes Pauls familly a heavy duty diplomatic marriage.

He was never interested in the truth he was interested in maintaining the status quo and sure enough by the time he and constantine had finished, you couldn't put a feeler guage between the religious practice of the old temple and the religious practice of the new.


Bow down to God - where's God - Behind me.

The temple holds the keys to heaven and talks to God, you can't have a personal relationship with god because you are not holy enough like us priests are.

You need us to intercede on your behalf.


that will be 10% of gross domestic product tax free - ching ching thank you very much








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envious of what?


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well then you would be putting Sleeman against Sulwarth and the Sulwarth Gold is beyond compare, travel to Galloway and taste the truth


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This is not the issue, the issue with your question is why sadly insane was in power.

If you trace his political history you will see how it is conjoined with US/UK foreign policy and thus in the after event hypocrisy.

In the Taliban event i refer you to the same behaviour for ten years they were OK, but then the deal with Unocal and the pipeline fell out of bed.....


Both regimes were bad always, however in terms of our excuse to bomb the shit out of the good people of those nations.............

We claim this right of goodness, but it is always about money


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out of the box


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swiss beer is good beer i know this from personal experience


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Ah! "Simiain" I hate to call this to your attention but you spelled 'Blairite' wrong



Yes it has a bit of a typo in there but was totally intentional, Mr B' Liar sums him up so well, did you not see that?


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rat-pack



As in Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis, Jr., Peter Lawford and Joey Bishop,


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Maybe we could express this in a different way, Do you think the people of the USA or Britain will ever take responsibility for the actions of their democratically elected governments, who lets face it under the Bush B'liar coalition, have committed war crimes at least equivalent to those of Mr Karadzic and other indicted Serb war criminals. Or do you think that our nations have the right to invade all and everyone we desire, especially those whose national boundaries contain minerals we like

I will quote this American penned article from somewhere in the middle, the whole piece is worth reading.

Lifted from The Surreal Politics of Premeditated War
by R.W. Behan

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1203-21.htm


In his second week in office, President Bush appointed Vice President Cheney to chair a National Energy Policy Development Group. The supersecret “Energy Task Force,” as it came to known, was composed of officials from the relevant federal agencies and beyond question heavily attended by energy industry executives and lobbyists. (The full membership has yet to be revealed, but Enron’s Kenneth Lay was conspicuously present.)

One brute fact had to be apparent to the Task Force: in the Caspian Basin, and beneath the Iraqi deserts there are 125 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, and the potential for 433 billion barrels more. Anyone controlling that much oil could break OPEC’s stranglehold overnight.

By early March, 2001, the Task Force was poring over maps of the Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, tanker terminals, and oil exploration blocks. It studied an inventory of “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts”—dozens of oil companies from 30 different countries, in various stages of exploring and developing Iraqi crude. (These documents were forced into view several years later by a citizen group, Judicial Watch, with a Freedom of Information Act proceeding. It wasn’t easy—the Bush Administration appealed the lawsuit all the way to the Supreme Court—but the maps and documents can now be seen and downloaded at : http://www.judicialwatch.org/iraqi-oil-maps.shtml.)


Not a single U.S. oil company, however, was among the “suitors,” and that was intolerable. Mr. Cheney’s task force concluded, “By any estimation, Middle East oil producers will remain central to world security. The Gulf will be a primary focus of U.S. international energy policy.”


It has become very clear over the past six years that the majority of our two nations do not want to know this and will if ever questioned
about it immediately lash out with abusive denials and remarks I have yet to engage with a US or UK citizen who could debate the Bush Bliarite position using corroborated facts.

However the rest of the world has no such loyalty to our criminal leaders and maybe - as Mr Bush (the man who invented Extraordinary Rendition and condoned the use of torture) lectures China on its human rights record, - now is the time for us to listen to their words rather than shooting off our mouths, guns and tomahawk missiles at the first sight of criticism.






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That was funny mate nice one.


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Oh and welcome back to Blighty


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Hi Chris


I'm new here too, it's a bit scary for me. Hope you at least have a laugh and hope you meet someone special (hope i do too)


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